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Sunday, February 15, 2026

How Level-5 Listening and “PIE” Can Help You Negotiate Better


 

 

 

 

 

 

You are involved in negotiations on a daily basis, even if you don’t realize it: Any time you attempt to reach an agreement with another party through dialogue, you are negotiating. Sometimes your negotiations are formal, like negotiating a contract with a customer or a new company policy. Other times, your negotiations are informal, such as resolving a conflict with a team or coworker.

Regardless, all negotiations are interpersonal interactions, which means they are fundamentally about relationships. Depending on how you handle the situation, a negotiation can either harm the underlying relationship or strengthen it. If you negotiate well and achieve an outcome that benefits both parties, you will build trust and improve your relationship with the other party. But if you push to come out of the negotiation as the winner at the other parties expense, you will harm the relationship.

No matter the situation, negotiators must remember one golden rule: It’s not about you. The only way to move someone else in your direction and find a solution on which you can agree is to listen deeply and empathetically, ensuring that the other person feels seen, heard, and understood. That is particularly powerful when the two sides are in disagreement. It allows you to build trust, manage expectations, and find ways to meet the other party’s key needs. It’s what is called level-five listening, and it is fundamental to effective negotiation.

As Ernest Hemingway once said, “When people talk, listen completely. Most people never listen.” Negotiators who do set themselves apart. But it takes discipline of mind and body to accomplish, particularly when emotions are running high. The right mindset and a tool kit of techniques can help.

The Level-Five Mindset

Many people listen only long enough to get the gist of what the other side is saying before they begin formulating a reaction or tune out to check a text or wrestle with another issue in their heads. This level-one listening might be described as “intermittent listening,” and it won’t help you understand your counterpart well enough to yield a successful outcome. It’s also disrespectful.

Level-two listening involves doing so only to rebut. You pay attention to the incoming message until it hits a trigger, at which point you jump in to argue a point. Such an interjection undermines communication and rapport, because you’re clearly focusing on your agenda at the expense of your counterpart’s.

In level-three listening you’re looking for logic: using inference to pin down the substance of and reasons for what the other person is saying. This is an improvement, because you’re trying to understand that person’s argument, but since it’s happening only in your head, it’s not enough. The goal is to shift your full attention to your counterpart and gather more information.

That happens with level-four listening, when you begin to tune in to the emotions as well as the logic behind the other person’s position and respond in ways that show you’re aware of them. You also begin to prompt more dialogue with a comment such as “It sounds like you’re frustrated with our counteroffer” or “You seem passionate about this proposal.”

Level five takes that empathetic curiosity a step further. Now you’re listening to better understand and interpret your counterpart’s self-perception and perspective. That allows you to ask questions that promote discovery and insight on both sides and establish rapport so that you can begin to exert influence and achieve cooperation or collaboration, which should be the outcome of all negotiations.

This is often called “active listening,” a term coined by the psychologist Carl Rogers and his colleague Richard Farson to describe a process whereby we “get inside” the minds of our counterparts and truly grasp what they’re communicating. “More than that,” the two wrote in their 1957 book Active Listening, “we must convey to the speaker that we are seeing things from his point of view.”

Tools of the Trade

But how, exactly, can you prove to negotiating partners that you’re paying this level of attention to their logic, emotions, perspective, and, ultimately, wants and needs so that they begin to see you as a collaborator rather than an adversary? Negotiation pros use the mnemonic MORE PIES to remember the techniques for both ensuring and demonstrating level-five listening. This is not a box-ticking exercise but a way to train your focus so that you’re better able to understand and empathize with your counterpart.

Minimal encouragers: Very short and simple vocal prompts such as “And?” “Really?” “Then?” “Mmm,” “Uh huh,” “Go on,” and “Interesting,” are important ways to show that you are and remain tuned in to your counterpart, particularly when you’re on the phone or the other person has been speaking for a while. The aim is to encourage the other person to keep talking and feel understood. Pace your interjections at a reasonable rate (for example, one encourager for every few sentences), and if it’s an in-person conversation, ensure that your facial expression and body language match your tone of voice, whether it’s inquisitive, neutral, or agreeable.

Don’t get distracted and throw in a misplaced encourager or overuse words like “Great” and “OK,” because they suggest that you understand or agree and can thus bring the person to a stop.

Open questions: Encourage people to speak freely and to share their side of the story, thus revealing more about what’s important (or not) to them, the lines they can’t or won’t cross, and areas where compromise might be possible. They help you buy time, gather data, clear up misunderstandings, and defuse emotions, because they force others to really consider their answers and potential solutions, rather than give a knee-jerk yes or no to an idea or unthinkingly choose between options you’ve presented.

Good open questions start with “What” or “How”—for example, “What is the real issue?” “How will this affect [the party or situation involved]?” “What has to happen for you to [desired action]?” “What other options do we have?” Avoid questions that begin with “Why,” because they can sound accusatory and judgmental. For example, with a client who is threatening to switch service providers, instead of asking, “Why do you want to leave?” consider “What are they offering that we don’t?” or “What could we do to make you stay?”

Keep it simple and focused on one topic at a time. Avoid jargon and abstract words or ideas. And then, after you’ve asked your question, stay quiet and give the person time to fully answer. Try also to encourage an exchange of questions, rather than letting it feel like a one-sided interview.

I should note that closed questions, designed to elicit a yes or a no, can be helpful too, particularly when you need specific information—for example, “Do you have another offer on the table?” But too many of them can sound like an interrogation. Leading questions—for example, “Which of our competitors is trying to poach you?”—should be avoided when possible, because they give the impression that you’re making assumptions, judging, or rushing to an answer.

Reflecting Back: Or mirroring the last few words or key phrases used by your counterparts, is another way to demonstrate that you’ve heard them, keep them talking, and create rapport. In heated, fast-paced negotiations, it can also give you time to calm your emotions and formulate appropriate responses or open questions.

By carefully choosing which words to mirror, you can also steer the conversation in the direction you’d like. For example, imagine that you’re lobbying your boss to add another full-time employee to your team, and he tells you there’s no room in the budget this fiscal year. “Room in the budget?” would be a reflecting response that might prompt him to elaborate and provide both of you with an opportunity to discuss other options.

Of course, the other person may misinterpret your repetition as a challenge. But as an easy way to encourage elaboration, reflecting should be part of your tool kit.

Emotional labeling: Is a way to help your counterparts rein in their feelings (along with their actions and biases or entrenched opinions), thus preserving their ability to think objectively and rationally. In my field we call this “name it to tame it.” It involves offering a nonjudgmental observation about the emotions you think other people are experiencing, the problems they’re facing, the way they’re acting, or the views they have in a way that allows them to agree or disagree with you. For example, “It feels like you’re annoyed with me,” or “It sounds like the money is important to you.” (Other phrase starters include “It seems like…,” “I sense that you…,” and “I get the impression that….”)

Even if you label the emotion, behavior, or view incorrectly, you’re indicating that you’re paying attention and want to better understand your counterpart. Every shift in tone, body language, or argument content is another opportunity to acknowledge what the person is going through.

Paraphrasing: Involves translating your understanding of what the other person has said into your own words to ensure that you’re on the same page. Focus on content rather than trying to use the exact same language (that’s summarizing, which I’ll discuss shortly). Ways to start include “So it seems like what you’re saying is…,” “Can I share with you where I think you’re at with this?” and “What I’m hearing here is….”

Make sure to give others a chance to clarify or amend what you’ve offered back to them by saying something like “Correct me if I’m wrong here…” or “Do I have that right?”

Most often you will wait for a pause in your counterpart’s speech to insert your paraphrase. This can be another way to stall for time if you’re unsure about where to take the conversation next, but it is also one of those rare moments when it’s OK to interrupt to enhance understanding.

“I” statements: allow you to explain how the situation or negotiation is affecting you and encourage your counterpart toward change without directing blame. Include three elements: behavior or situation (describe what the person has done or what has happened); feeling (how it affects you); and consequences (what the result was). For example, you might say, “When you dismissed my proposal immediately, I felt frustrated, because it seems like you don’t value what I have to offer.” While such messages aren’t confrontational, they do flag misalignments and potential negotiation derailers that will need focus, attention, and care.

Effective pauses: Give your counterparts space to collect their thoughts, keep talking, or even vent in ways that can be informative for you. All you need to do is refrain from responding after they seem to have finished speaking until the pause begins to feel slightly uncomfortable, and then hold it for a few seconds more.

This can be used when hiring managers interview candidates because most people feel compelled to fill the silence. Inexperienced communicators often find themselves jumping in. If you are one, try to resist. To this day I keep a stress ball with the letters W.A.I.T. on my desk; it stands for both “wait” and “Why am I talking?”

Summarizing: Like paraphrasing, involves offering your understanding of what someone has just said, but the difference is that you repeat that person’s words rather than using your own, to help them see their argument more clearly and build trust. This technique is best used when your counterpart has delivered a lot of information or a long, rambling narrative. You’re adding value by condensing it into a manageable chunk and highlighting the key points.

For example, to the boss resisting your plea to expand your team, you might say, “If I understand you correctly, you don’t have the budget in this fiscal year, but a small personnel allocation might open up in the next cycle. So I should write you a memo proposing a job description for a potential new hire. Is that a fair summary?” This gives the boss a chance to correct you.

From Rapport to Request

When you use these techniques to become a level-five listener, you boost your capacity for empathy, your ability to find common ground, and your chances of gaining your counterpart’s cooperation. As the forensic psychologist and University of Liverpool professor Laurence Alison explains in his book Rapport (written with Emily Alison), “When we are able to extract someone’s core beliefs and values, we often find that they are more similar to ours than we imagine.” He adds that even if they’re not, “we don’t have to agree but we should seek to understand.”

Alison recommends that negotiators hold themselves accountable by asking themselves four questions: Am I being honest or trying to manipulate the other person? Am I being empathetic and seeing things from that person’s perspective or just concentrating on my own point of view? Am I respecting and reinforcing people’s autonomy and right to choose, or am I trying to force them to do what I want? Am I listening carefully and reflecting to show a deeper understanding and build intimacy and connection?

Ultimately, the most effective among us move beyond empathetic listening and the other elements of rapport building to constructive assertions and requests. When you have done the work to fully, unemotionally, and nonjudgmentally understand your counterpart’s needs, interests, and perspectives—and to ensure that the person knows and trusts that you’ve done so—you earn the right to state your own needs, interests, and perspectives; make specific requests; and suggest solutions.

Successful negotiation starts with managing your own emotions (See Emotional Intelligence) . But that's where your self-focus should stop. The rest is all about your counterparts. Listen well and show them you're doing so. That's how you build trust and ultimately find mutually agreeable solutions.

To your greater success and fulfillment.


Peter Mclees, Leadership Coach, Trainer and Performance Consultant
SMART DEVELOPMENT

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♟️Mastering Negotiation: The Real Skills You Need to Win Without Losing Friends ♟️

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Let’s face it—negotiation is everywhere, and it’s not just boardroom drama. It’s you convincing your boss that you really, really need that extra Friday off (“I promise I’ll answer emails from the beach!”), or trying to talk your kid into eating broccoli instead of trading it for a lifetime supply of mac and cheese. Seriously, whether you’re brokering peace between warring cubicle neighbors or figuring out who gets the remote at home, negotiating happens all the time—and it can make or break your day (or your dinner).

Here’s the kicker: nobody can agree on how to actually be good at negotiating. Some folks think you have to be a bulldozer—push for what you want, even if you steamroll a few relationships. Others swear by the “let’s all hug it out” approach, which usually means you end up splitting the last slice of pizza even though you really wanted it. All those books (you know, the ones gathering dust on your shelf) act like you have to pick a team: Team Assertive or Team People-Pleaser.

But is this “either-or” stuff even real? Turns out, researchers Remigiusz Smolinski and Peter Kesting got nosy and poked through nearly 1,000 actual negotiations from The Negotiation Challenge, where people from all over the world try to out-negotiate each other (the Olympics, but with more spreadsheets and fewer medals). They found that it’s not just about what you do—it’s who you’re up against. Like, if you’re haggling over chores with your roommate who thinks unloading the dishwasher is a life-threatening event, you’ll have to get creative!

Fun fact: Only about 5% of those master negotiators from the contest consistently get good deals and still make friends with the person across the table. They might not always walk away with everything (sometimes you just don’t get the last donut), but they’re solid at keeping things relaxed and getting most of what they want, no matter who’s on the other side.

So, what does it really take to be one of those skillful negotiators? Turns out, it’s not just natural charm or sheer luck—there are four big skills that make the difference. Let’s break them down, with some real-life flavor:

1.     Language and emotional smarts:

Imagine you’re asking your boss for a raise, but instead of just blurting out, “I deserve more money,” you explain how your hard work helped the team, you listen to their concerns, and you keep your cool even if they push back. Great negotiators choose their words carefully, stay calm under fire, and pay attention to what’s going on emotionally—so when the conversation gets tense, they can turn it around instead of making it worse.

Scenario: You want to swap your late shift at work, but your coworker seems a little stressed about their own schedule.

Sample script phrase: “Hey, I totally get that your week’s been wild. If swapping shifts helps us both out, awesome—if not, no worries. Just wanted to ask!”

2.    Negotiation intelligence:

This is like being a chess player, not just a checkers fan. Before a big meeting, you figure out what you want, what the other side probably wants, and what your backup plan is if things don’t go your way. If things change mid-talk, you switch gears—a bit like when you realize your roommate really does need the car tonight, so you suggest swapping chore days instead. Smart negotiators read the room and adjust their strategy on the fly.

Scenario: You need to use the company pool car on Saturday for a work-related meeting, but your colleague also typically reserves it on weekends.

Sample script phrase: “I was hoping to book the pool car this Saturday for a customer visit—if you already have plans, maybe I could use it Sunday instead, or we could swap tasks for the week so it works for both of us?”

3.    Relationship building:

Let’s say you’re dealing with a tricky customer or even a stubborn family member. The best negotiators don’t just focus on “winning”—they build trust by being upfront, following through on promises, and making sure everyone gets a say. Maybe you bond over a shared love of bad action movies before diving into the tough stuff, or you make sure to ask what matters most to the other person. That way, people want to work with you again, not run for the hills.

Scenario: You’re negotiating with your neighbor about a shared fence, but want to keep things friendly.

Sample script phrase: “I know we both want the yard to look great. Let’s figure out what works for both of us—maybe we can grab a coffee and chat it through?”

4.    Moral wisdom:

Finally, the real pros don’t just go after what they want at any cost—they play fair. They’re honest about what’s possible, they don’t make promises they can’t keep, and they look for ways everyone can win a little. Like when you split the last piece of cake with your sibling instead of sneaking it late at night—being strong and ethical means your deals last, and people trust you the next time, too.

Scenario: Two colleagues are deciding who gets the last conference room slot for the day, but both want to be fair.

Sample script phrase: “How about we split the time—each of us gets half the slot for our meetings? That way, nobody feels left out or has to scramble for another space—sound good?”

Work on these four “meta-competencies,” and you’ll go from dreading negotiations to actually enjoying them—no boardroom required.

So what’s the secret sauce? It’s not about being “hard” or “soft”—it’s about skill. You need to hold your ground (like when your teenager says, “But EVERYONE gets to stay up late!”), but also show you get where they’re coming from (“Fine, you can stay up late—but only to finish your math homework”).

The best negotiators know how to mix a little backbone with a dash of empathy—at work, at home, or even when you’re fighting for the last parking spot at the mall. That’s real negotiating genius.

Check out a related post:

A Essential Negotiation Skill To Help You Influence Anyone (3 min read)

To your greater ability to achieve win-win outcomes, 


Peter Mclees, Leadership Coach, Trainer and Performance Consultant
SMART DEVELOPMENT

Take the Next Step...
Interested in learning how to develop your organization's leadership capability, culture, and employee engagement? We begin with a collaborative discovery process identifying your unique needs and business issues. To request an interview with Peter Mclees please 

contact: Email: petercmclees@gmail.com  or  Mobile: 323-854-1713

Smart Development has an exceptional track record helping service providers, ports, sales teams, restaurants, stores, distribution centers, food production facilities, wealth management services, third-party energy and maintenance providers, real estate services, nonprofits, government agencies and other businesses create a strong culture, leadership bench strength, coaching skills and the teamwork necessary for growth.

Having worked with several companies throughout their growth cycle, we have valuable insights and strategies that would help any late stage startup, small or medium sized company achieve sustained growth and prosperity.